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Sikh Hindu Relations - A Deep Discussion on the Common Heritage

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can anyone provide a download link for "nanak naam jahaz hai' or
'Border'?

In the begining God created the human being and reproduction continuing ... earlier we worshipped Almight God. There was not any religion.
My brother, Now there is now so many casts in India and world. We are all brothers Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jain. Every human being hails from only Almighty. God has not divided us, but we (our selfishness) have divided ourselves. Now a days, A man is not happy with what he has earned with our labour. This man is very critical. He wants his power, money multiple on the life of others.

We have to change our attitude as a poet say -

Majhab Nahi sikhata duniya se bair rakhna
Hindu hai ham vatan, hindusta hamara

My request to my all brothers in the world "Keep Sahisnuta" Maintain the same tolerance as you are having in own family. World is our family. We do not know. We all are relative. We have the power to maintain PEACE in the world.

SSA:
Being punjabi(sikhs call us phaapai...a new breed in the sick sikhs)..it is out of pity and platonic pity only that i have to concur/conclude just one thing......"that majority of sikhs are very racist and abnormaly consciuos and scared of hindus calling us a derivative of hinduism......."such insecurity/hatred/hostility provides the breeding grounds for my fellow jutts(whataaaa jutt???) and sikh bros for an everlasting/eternal enimosity towards the not so stupid hindu culture.....well back home in punjab i didnt see much of this sickness breeding..but when i came here to states in 2000...the first thing i noticed was..."that i couldnt associate myself properly to sikhs or hindus(coz my name being hindu/language punjabi)"not only that my jutt friends in skool would also treat me differetly coz of my name....times again one of them would say...."saaaleyaaa jaaandaa niiii...juttaaan naaal pungaaa naaleyaa kar....." now whata stupid pride are we punjabi people carrying on our all so hot/sick(h) heads............oooooops i had a mood swing...i dont wanna talk on these sick(h) issues no more...

peace up bros!!!!!

HI TOO All veiers now im a sindi hindu but i feel punjabi and hindu is 1 and the same
and it is better not too debate it coz im a hindu but i keep readin the daily hukumas and the japaji it makes no bloody difference
its jus that "there is 1 god"guru gubind singh ji
"nanak nam chardi kala tere pane sarwatha bhala"

watever u say we are all indians hindustani
jai hind

gagandeep hereis japaji for u i have it

HI TOO All veiers now im a sindi hindu but i feel punjabi and hindu is 1 and the same
and it is better not too debate it coz im a hindu but i keep readin the daily hukumas and the japaji it makes no bloody difference
its jus that "there is 1 god"guru gubind singh ji
"nanak nam chardi kala tere pane sarwatha bhala"

watever u say we are all indians hindustani
jai hind

gagandeep hereis japaji for u i have it

THIS LITTLE BLURB IS BEING ADDRESSED TO THE GUY NAMED 'EDITOR'. YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT YOU CAN'T SPELL OR WRITE WORTH A S H I T. F U C K I N G DIAPER-HEADED NIGGERS. HA HA HA. ALL YOU GUYS SHOULD F U C K I N G GET A LIFE, BE LIKE WE ARE IN AMERICA, YOU HAIRY SMELLY DIAPER HEADS WHO CAN'T SPELL. HA HA HA. TOO BAD YOU GUYS AREN'T AMERICAN BORN, THEN MAYBE YOU'D HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS. BUT WE RESPECT THE FORIEGN TALENTS. INDIAN IMMIGRANTS MAKE UP PROBABLY THE LARGEST PER CAPITA POPULATION EITHER AMERICAN BORN, OR IMMIGRANTS WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF EDUCATION, AND WEALTH AND PROSPERITY IN AMERICA. GRANTED THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE UGLY TOWEL-HEADED DIPSHIT DIAPER HEAD PARTY STORE OWNERS AND NASTY CAB DRIVER F U C K S. BUT MANY OF THE RAJPUT-AMERICANS AND MANY BRAHMINS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN SUCCESFUL AMERICANS AND WESTERN EUROPEANS. BUT LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, INDIA ISN'T REALLY A COUNTRY IT IS A LAND THAT GOT INVADED SO MANY TIMES AND IS A SMORGASBOARD OF RACES, CULTURES, ETHNICITIES, AND RELIGIONS. BUT SO IS AMERICA, TOO BAD YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A LAWS PROTECTING PEOPLE AS WELL AS GIVING FREEDOM TO DO AS YOU PLEASE LIKE WE HAVE IN HERE IN AMERICA.
BY THE WAY A TRANSVESITE IS A PERSON WHO DRESSES UP AS THE OPPOSITE SEX AND PRESENTS AN APPEARANCE AS THE OPPOSITE SEX. A TRANS-SEXUAL IS SOMEONE WHO GETS SURGERY TO BECOME PHYSICALLY THE OTHER SEX, YOU DUMB SON OF A B I T C H. HA HA HA.
HEY DON'T TAKE ALL THIS S H I T TOO PERSONALLY I'M JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME. I AM SURE AMERICA WOULD BE AS F U C K E D U P IF IT WERE 4000 YEARS OLD AND GOT FORCIBLY INVADED BY 15 DIFFERENT MAJOR CULTURES, WHERE DEFENSE AND MILITARY STANDARDS WERE NEARLY WIPED OUT AT ONE TIME. TILL THE NEXT INVADING CULTURE RE-BUILT IT. AND ON AND ON AND ON. YOU GET THE POINT. HEY AMERICA IS STARTING TO FALL APART WE'RE GONNA END UP LIKE SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND WORK ETHIC THEY ONCE HAD IN HIGH TECH. FEILDS. SO NOW WE'RE IMPORTING ALL OUR TOP SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS FROM LIKE INDIA, GERMANY, CHINA, ETC. ETC. BUT I GUESS GREATNESS IS GREAT PROVIDED EACH GENERATION MAINTAINS AND ADVANCES THE POWER AND GLORY OF THE POWERFUL AND GLORIOUS CIVILIZATION. I AM 6'4" TALL AND 215 LBS. I AND IN THE U.S. MILITARY I SHOULD COME OVER THERE STICK MY FOOT UP YOUR A S S . RAJPUTS ARE ACTUALLY BIG HUGE GREEK SCYTHIAN WARRIORS WHO INVADED INDIA. BYE BYE.

jet punjabi
I am a boy. I 'm writing you from Italy.
You are very good at MUSIC
I'm very good at ART.
See you soon
gagandeep

A documentary on the situation in Punjab

http://www.maboli.com/Sikh_HR/

Boons

the 2 religions are different from each other - its just that hindus wan to deny sikhs rights over there
state - a political thing.

hi!

Actually I'm not familiar with both religions. It was when we had a trip to different temples here in Manila, Philippines that made me know the different beliefs of the Religions in Asia. I would just like to know why there are pictures of the 10 Gurus(Sikhism) inside the Hindu temple? Are the two religions different from each other?

That's all.. I would really appreciate it if you would respond to me... Thank you very much.

Today Pakistani Mercenaries orphaned a whole village in Kashmir. Near Sri Nagar they selected 35 families and killed one by one each of the head of the family. The assassinated were all Sikhs!

Our reply:

Dear Val and Phi

These topics are created or carved out of a large no of messages generated last year. We dont have any intentions of creating any rifts but offer a forum to discuss, exchange views and possibly heal the wounds of people who may have grudges or bad feelings for reasons beyond their control.

Politicians are the creators of all manipulations in India - for sure and we endorse that. Nobody doubts that. Go and read any media anywhere and you will find that politicians everywhere are dividing and exploiting people for their mean goals.

Indian communities are free people and they are not bashing each other but Punjabis have a special way of talking, please do not misread it. Punjabis may appear to be fighting or bashing each other but inside their hearts, they love each other and cant live without each other. But this is how they grow.

Friends there was a very interesting view today presented on another page of this discussion which we reproduce here:

From Discussion Page: Indian Politicians Manipulation of Punjab - Facts & Myths

By Val on Wednesday, March 15, 2000 - 08:40 pm:

I'm not from India but my Grandparents are, they migrated
during Colonial Era to my present country. I used to have
great respect towards India. This forums is really
interesting. Mr. Editor if you don't mind I would like give
a piece of advise stop creating sensitive subject like
religion and etnic issues. By the way I look at it you only
creating tension and hatred feeling among Indians.If you
wants India to be strong and unite stop creating such
issues.

I was suprise with how Indians bashing each other. It's true
Indians and crabs are same ( crabs always pull other crabs
when one try to escape from captivity ). My conclusion is
India don't need outside enemy to pull it down because it
has its own people to do it. Mr. Editior you doing great
job in this regards. I can't understand how came you Indians
never learn anything despite countless continuos foreign
invasion. Almost all your neighbour invade you in the past,
Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Chinese, Persian and Turkey did it,
maybe in future Bhutan also might do it since you Indian can
never be unite.
I feel ashmed look at India competing with Pakistan
relatively a small country with poor inhabitants. Given
India's size, population, talent and resources it should
compete with China. In 1950 living standard of Chinese and
Indian are the same but after 50 years look where China is
and where India is. China is competing with USA but India
still competing with Pakistan. It easy for you Indians to
blame on politicians but who choose them at first place.
India's problem is because of it's own people. For example
in Tamil Nadu former chief minister Jayalalitha was clearly
understood by Tamillians that she swindle millions of state
money but ironically people still vote and elect member of
her party in elections. What you call this peoples stupid or
dumb?.
I came across in many post how you Indian proud about your
past achivement which is thousand of years ago . Please
don't talk about past glory rubbish and be proud what you
archive now. Let me tell you what Indian archiving now ...
corrupt leaders, fundementalist, ethnic, caste & religious
violance, overexaggration of it archievment, diseas, politic
instability, poverty, child labour, illiterate and so on.
Don't tell me about your achivement in technology, medicine
or military it nothing even compare to archivement of
countries like France or German. Its really shame
countries like Singapore, Korea and Taiwan doing much better
in term of economy and living standard then India. With 1
billion population Indian can't even win single meddle in
Olympic Games .
Now at least there is glimps of hope with BJP in government
for Indian not to be sleeping giant for next 50 years

For those sikhs please remember this Hindus at least will
let you live because we practice ahimsa and karma but not
the moslem who prcatice " kill the kafir ". Life is much
better for you all to remain with India then became separate
country because definately Pakistan will swallow you. Do you
know Sikhs not allowed to enter Saudi Arab. So whats wrong
praying at Lingam? Mr. Gurpreet. Doesn't it play important
role in your life, your Gurus life and creation of mankind.
If you feel funny or embarassed because of your lingam then
cut it off and be a transvestite.


2. Here is a reply from our learned participant

By phi-ø on Wednesday, March 15, 2000

To Val on Wednesday, March 15, 2000

A very interesting post, but you do not know how easy it is to manipulate Indian population when so much is under the control so few. Did you know that Nehru's father was a muslim and Indira Gandhi was daughter of not nehru but his half muslim brother and that she married a muslim and that her two sons were both circumcised. If you can keep information like this from 1 billion people and still command authority in India then what hope is there of Indian people getting justice. And if you have a neibhour like pakistan then this will only drag the indians down. India should have finished off pakistan a long time ago, but our leaders were pandering too much to the west and how the western govts would react. On the sikh issue I agree with you, muslims regularly target sikh girls in uk for conversions.

Here are some site detailing nehru and gandhi deceit.

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/aggzfisttfuwo.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/btwnwbbsgli.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/hnsntb.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/moms.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/tcgisosar.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/tmonb.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aghosh/watojn.html

anonymous,

I read this news and it's really really sad. The worst is that it's girl's uncle who raped her and her dad isn't doing anything about it. Thanks to Harkamal, there is something being done about it. It's ironic that she seeked help from Gurdev Singh Badal. It was his son who was accused of raping a girl from Ludhiana, right? Also, I read in the Punjabi newspaper 'AJIT' that he encouraged people to demand Marutis in dowry. Can someone confirm if they read this news in any of the other newspaper or is it that 'AJIT' is presenting it differently?

Thanks

To all,

As a sikh what I read in the following link shamed me. And it proves to me that sikhs are not free from casteism and women bashing. Women are still treated second class in our religion.

http://www.expressindia.com/news/00715500.htm

Let us not throw stones at others while living in a house made of glass.

Editor Bhaji,

Tusi isda ik nava bana sakde ho?


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By PANDIT .S. MISR on Monday, March 6, 2000 - 05:07 am:
I WRITE THIS AS A BRAHMIN, THE JAT SIKH IS AN HONOURABLE PERSON JUST LIKE HIS BROTHERS THE JATS OF U.P., HARYANA, RAJASTHAN. THE JAT HAS ALWAYS COME TO THE TOP DUE TO HIS GUTS, HARDWORK, COMMENSENSE AND HONOUR. NO ONE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER A LEADER THAN
THE JAT MAHARAJA RANJIT SINGH OR THE JAT RAJA RAM WHO DESTROYED THE MUGHAL EMPIRE. SO WHY ARE PEOPLE AGAINST
THE RAJPUTS AND JATS IT IS SHEER JEALOUSY.

PANDIT BILWASI SHARAN MISR
FROM KASHI


bahut bahut meharbani....rab tuhaanu sukhi rakhe...

gaggandeep... email me and i will try to help you. this is not my real email address so if anyone wants to junk mail me go ahead.

Hi Gagan

Just found this site on Sikhnet.com and they claim they sell Gutkas. So check them out

http://www.cherdikala.com/

Best of Luck!!!!

Come on guys, Gagandeep shouldn't have to wait this long to get a response. Someone must know where Gagandeep can find Japji Sahib....

Gagandeep, have you checked your local Gurdwara Sahib?

I checked amazon.com. They don't have it.

Thanks

Can you toll me where can i find Japji sahib or if you have it you can give to me?

Sorry wrong site. Let see if this works: Pingalbara

Hello guys,

Just wanna share something that came into my mind this morning. I saw, somewhere, nominations for 100 Indian people of the century. The list even included people who haven't done much or in fact have violated human rights in India. But, it bothered me to see that nobody nominated Bhagat Puran Singh of Pingalwara Amritsar. I think he should be at least Punjabi of the century if not of India. Check out this site: Bhagat Puran Singh Ji

Thank you

I meant Movies, not Mpvies and Shaheed not Saheed.

All right folks,

I saw a couple of mpvies over the weekend that I would recommend watching, excellent quality on DVD.

1. Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai
2. Saheed Udhham Singh
3. Border

And don't forget "Maachis" - an introduction to how Sikhs were victimized.

Take care

Hi Punjabi Kuri,

This is in response to your archived posting in vol 13. Hey thanks for your comments regarding my being a normal Sikh. Tell you the truth, I think it's very difficult to be a normal sikh. When I say 'normal', I actually mean someone who completely follows all of our Gurus. I am actually not even close to it. To start with, I cut hair and don't wear turban. But, thanks. I think you are doing a great job yourself.

Take care

When the pages become too large to download we archive them. The article on Gurudwara bill is on a dedicated page. See index on top.