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Mr Potter,
I agree with you and I apoligize for whatever insensitive things I said before. Please accept my humble apology.

Sudra means artisan. I am proud to be Sudra, like 90% of the Central-South-Asian subcontinent. In the West artisans are highly valued. Prime minister of Germany: croder means taylor, U.K: Tatcher: roof-maker, Netherland: Kok: cook. The fact that artisans are not valued in India is part of the cause that the econmy is struggling for ages.

Dear All,
I wonder if the level of discussion here is worth any thing as it reflect poor on any human being if he degrades the other.Every community has the right to be proud of itself.Any body who calls others Shudra,himself is a shudra.
If Rana Pratap was a great Rajput(more Indian),Rabindra Nath Tagore or Ram Dhari Singh Dinkar were not only of Bhumihars.
Parshuram story is over dramatised and all brahmans/Bhumihars don't belong to Parshuram as there were many more intellectual and accomplished rishis like Gautam,Vashishta and Vishwamitra etc.Many Kshatriya are of the Rishi clans including those of Parashuram.Parashuram killed only 36 erring kings who were antireligion or antipeople,he was not antikshatriya.There are kshatriya of Yamdagni and Parashar clan related to parashuram.
Let's compete ,not crib or criticise each other.

Good Luck and Jai Bharat.

Munesh Tyaagi

Bhumihars are shudra by nature not by birth. There is a strong dislike for this caste from every other communities and the reason is not difficult to see. When people say their caste is superior their implicit assumption is that all other castes are inferior and hence in a civilized society we dont do that. So, bhumihars I will give you free advice, learn to be humble othewise the world will pass you by and you will be the outcast.

You contradict yourself again. In another post you sais that when Rajputs converst to Islam and his descendants thus mingle with the non-Hindus he stays Rajput. As for the Bhumihars, no one in India considers then Sudra, they are of Aryan stock, whether or not Kshatrya or Brahmin.

Bhumihar is a sub-caste of the dominant shudra caste in India. Most people belonging to this caste live in Bihar, Jharkand, or Uttar Pradesh. It has been suggested that Bhumihars are illegitimate sons of Brahmin fathers and Kshatriya mothers. This is most probably an apocryphal story of which there are several in Indian caste system. There is another theory which says that once a king needed many more Brahmins than he had in his kingdom. To overcome this defeciency of Brahmins he promoted many Shudras to the elevated varna of Brahmins. The descendants of these Shudras turned Brahmins are now known as Bhumihars. This story, is perhaps the most credible story so far

In mythological perspective, Bhumihars have always identified themselves with Shudra Parashuram, who had killed all the Kshatriyas from this planet 18 times over. It is said that Parashuram installed shudras to the thrones of the kshatriyas he had slain. The descendants of these shudras are Bhumihars.

Bhumihar the word, is derived from "bhumi" and "ahar" which means someone who earns his living from the land, hence the English equivalent comes as "peasant". Bhumihars are usually the people who own most of the land in the areas where they live. Today they are responsible for most of the corruption in the state of Bihar. Most kings and zamindars in east India were bhumihars. In order to keep the property withing the family they encourage marriage among the cousins, the practice which is frowned by others caste.

There is also a preconcieved notion among other castes about the bhumihars that they are very decietful and not to be trusted. The story about their decitful nature is known as "bhumihar pench" or bhumihar screw. It is said that if a bhmihar eats a nail, then when it comes out of him it will be a threaded screw implying that the bhumihar personality is convoluted.

Bhumihar were referred to as "Military Shudra” by Francis Buchanan and as “Magadh Chamar” by William Adam in 1883. Bhumihars don't take up menial work as a profession and are thus ranked above the other shudras in the ritual caste hierarchy.It has been prescribed by the vedas that shudras have six duties.Bhiumihars concern themselves with only three of those duties. Marriage of people in this community is restricted to other shudras subcastes who claim their descendence from Shudra Parshuram including Mohyals in Punjab, Tyagis in Uttar Pradesh, Anavil Shudra in Maharashtra and Gujarat.

The word Brahmarshi has of late gained currency as a synonym for the Bhumihar caste.

Though numerically the Bhumihars may not be more than 30 laks in number, their socio-economic and in certain way political might far exceeds their numerical strength. Fortunately, this malignant effect of their society is fast disappearing. The so-called Naxalism in central Bihar (now spread over almost whole of Bihar) is a direct outcome of the traditonal hold that Bhumihars enjoyed in these pockets and thereby controlled all the resources. Even the present political parties are divided over the single issue of support to Bhumihars. RJD has won the State assembly Election thrice solely on Anti-Bhumihar Plank. Though belonging to shudra caste, bhumihar consider themselves to be brahmin but real brahmins do not like to mingle with them.

This is to all those so called pure brahmins asking us bhumihars to show our accompolishments..well we all know that they dont have any of their own apart from begging and playing the poor downtrodden in any society...
well even in their hearts, albeit secretly they do admit that we bhumihars are doing quite well for ourselves in every sphere of life...
Hence the insecurity in these PURE brahmins and the name calling by them..
Chillax people we do give away part of our earnings as bhikshas...
THIS IS SPECIALLY IN RESPONSE TO SHRI "BRAHMIN, BRAHMIN AK-47 & BRAHMIN 6 FOOT 1 MUSCLE"...weird....

I can dish out more if ask for because i'm a proud bhumihar girl and i want to let u know what i think as so far i dont see any female responses...

if you say mahisur that means mahi + asura which means that you are not aryan but mleccha. maybe in the past some mleccha were granted the status of brahmin thats why bhumihar and related castes consdier themselves as brahmin.

Bhumihar is a recent(circa 1991)word and mahihar word(Saraswat Land Lords-Mohyals)is quite old.Mahisur(brahman/Tyagi)is very old.All words have same meaning and denote same group.
We should not over emphasize our differences and some brahman need to preach religion and some need to create social security by agriculture and administration.midieval mindset must be changed and we must realize our roots and duty both.Most of the bhoomihar brahmns moved fron Haryana,Rajasthan and West UP and share common roots with other Brahmans including Tyagis and Gaur/Kanyakubj.

Raam-Raam to all brothers.

Munesh Tyaagi

I want to know all of sub-caste of Shudra caste.
Please give me the informaton.

Thank you,

What u guys are actually? This question is being replied by u in self eulogiging manner by demeaning others.This is not good and amply shows lack of confidance as a community. As a brahmin or a Khatriyas, we all know a well laid hisrory and the contribution of the comunity at various stages of history. Even a low caste or (Dalits for sake of decency)have shown some Great Thinkers(like Saint Raidas,Kabir etc) and their contribution is recognised in the society. Show us something more positive insted of taking selter in the mythological figures like Parasurams, which has no historical backing and abusing others.

to dutchman.

if you are travelling to bihar i advise you not to wear toight pant. as all the people in bihar are ghey and they like dutch people in toight pant

im going n vacation in
india

bhumihar should learn from their superiors. there is no shame in realizing that you will be never equal to us. look around you. you belong to the age which is gone and either you will change your way or become extinct like dinasour. you claim so many thing but pray tell us that in past 100 years what is your accomplishment. did you won any noble prize? did you write any good book? forget about writing. have you read any book? you have nothing to be proud of yet you go on talking about social status. you want to associate yourself with brahmin, tyagi etc but they dont want to do anything with you. listen you are the one who wants to be brahmin. we dont want to be bhumihars. so tell me who is superior. anyway this discussion is immaterial because tum log char din ke mehmaan ho. enjoy your stay here.

i really think you if you bhumihars pride yourselves in being good warriors then you should go fight jehadis and all. put yourselves to good use. no use blabbing!!!

Aha. so now Bhumihars have to learn from from the Maithils how to live and what to do..what a maithal stand for ..nothing..having no social and other status..fakirs and useless. Bhumihars..earns for themsleves and also give DAAN to Maithils to survive..so..stop this non-sense against Bhumihars..

As you can see from the post here, bhumihars have inferiority complex and hence they will claim superior to anyone who would listen, without giving any proof or evidence. In fact, my friends after hearing their endless bakwas and after I pressed them hard they gave me some lame evidence of great sage Parashuram. The problem is that Parashuram is a mythical figure not a historical figure. Also, in my interaction with many people of castesand subcastes I have never found any caste claiming superiority over others. Everyone is equal to each other I believe. I have no reason to believe that bhumihars are our intellectual superior or dalit are intellectually inferior. Given the right enviornment everyone will excel equally whether they are bhumihar, brahmin or dalit. Please stop this madness.
Thank you

I have a question. If these bhumihars are warriors why arent they big and tall? most of them are pretty scrawny inspite of eating meet????? Now i am not a bhumihar but i belong to a subcaste of brahmins who served as warriors among other things for the kings of that region. and my family members are pretty big and tall. and we are meat eaters too. please explain

bhumihars are definitely not brahmin. its said that in one kingdom there were very few brahmin so the king converted the shudra to the brahmin. later when the situation became normal these shudra were not allowed to do puja so they earned their living by doing kheti in the land of brahmin. thats why they are called bhumihar. bhumi + ahar. yaani ke one who earns his living through land.

They are racist as you can see by the posts here. They always claim to be superior but the proof is in the pudding. Can anyone name one bhumihar who has one noble prize? Well please wake me up with your claim of superiority when you have won any awards. till then you can blow your trumpet but no one here gives a damn.

no doubt bhumihars r a well to do intellectual community. being a bhumihar i am proud of that. but present day scenario- changing socio- economic condition- our people r yet to understand nd adjust. we should be in our pst. we need to acquire skills nd work hard to come up.

In Andhra Pradesh they have 6000 Niyogi Brahmins,if I am not wrong. Can some body enlighten me as to what this is. What significance does this number 6000 have and what is Niyogi ? I would like an honest and enlightening response from some one with an authoritative source.
Charitrik

Brahmin dont marry us
Among brahmins there are sub division and they do not marry each other.
A kanyakubja do not marry a Sakaldwipi a Sakaldwipi do not marry a Saryupari.
However I suggest you to visit Mithilanchal and you can see thousand of villages marring a bHumihar and Mathil.
But Bhumihar Brahmins accepts girl from Mathil but do not give girls to a Maithil

Bhumihar is a short form of word Bhumi Agrahar Bohjee Brahmin. They arev also known as Babhan which means Brahmins.They associates themselves with Bhagwan Parsuram.
They are superior to all othe Brahmins because they do not take Daan. They are ayachak.
Bhumihars are spread all over India they are known as Chitapavan,Mohiyal,Tyagi,Anavil.Barendra,Bhoumik Hvyak and Niyogi.
Bhumihar is a synonym of word Brahmins.

Who don't Brahmins dont marry you?

We Bhumihars are pure Brahmins and according to Aryan traditions are heavy meat-eaters.

Are you Atmaram Tyagi or Mangla Rai

We are Brahmins and not Kshatriyas foreigner.

Bhumihars are landownwers, both Brahmins and chatris. The Singhs are definetely chatris.

Well known fact Bhumihars are Brahmins

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The caste system in India is well defined no one can change it. Brahmeshwar Singh the mighty Bhumihar has guts and brains. The Bhumihars are Brahmins and no amount of propaganda by naive and externally paid journalists can change this. Biharis know their caste system.