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Caste System : Foundation of Problems or Solutions? Origins Future : Who is A Dalit ?

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hellow P K
PERSONALLY EVEN I am interested in caring the casteless cultured people.can you start introducing them directly to me.
DR OMPRAKASH
DERMATOLOGIST

Dear Om Prakash

You do not need to advertise on the net if you want to help.
Just go about any village or city of India and you will find thousands of people who seek help.

indiaculture.net

Castless thinking is matter of castless people. Why not except who you are and move further with that.

Casless india is only ultimate option to improove fair india with higher developments.because nobody can try for long time to develop in unhumen manner(like caste,heriditory proffesionnelism,higher or lower basis)
So best wishes to all lacs of people who are thinking that castless india is necessory.(especially married people without basing on cast)
'necessity is the mother of invention'
-dromprakashderma

wat is the difference between rajput, thakur, and kshatriya?? ple help

Thank you my dear anonymous. You have prooved from your view that casteless society is possible.

Believe me untill we drop our cast we can never infact dream to enjoy the totality of being human.

By the way why do you hide your name? is it because of your cast or something more dangerous than that?

If you mother is Jain, then you aren't brahmin, but varnshankar. Now that your wife is kayasth you children will be casteless.

My dear friends, being student of Instructional Design for e-projects, while searching for some meaningful content on 'Demographic Factor' I came on this site and as the discussion forum was of my interest I hooked up....... please forgive me .... as i'm a born Brahmin.

Just to share with you, my mother is 'Jain' by cast, my father is Bengali, my wife is srivastava, we have one French, One Italian and one Muslim person as a family member in our family.

It seems from the above discussion that most of the participants either belong to low (so called) caste or have some or the other bad experience of being whatever your cast is.

Today on 3/6/2006 I tell you that India is a living hell not for some specific caste but for humanity in general.

People with power of money, position and contacts irrspective of their cast are actually molding laws for their evil deeds and enjoying whatever they can achieve by hook or crook.

Baba Saheb Bhimrao Ambedkar who actually fought for the Dalit's right and is known as father of Indian Constitution had done MA in 3 subjects and was a Law Graduate of an era when socio political condition of india was next to hell.

When my father divorced my mother in 1978 leaving her with three chidlrens, she was only Highschool. From there she pulled on her life to a state where she not only brought up her three chidlrens to a respectable state but also done MA in 2 subjects and LLB. She knows French, Arebic, Bangla, English. She has been imparting her vast educational and rofessional experience with UNICEF's education programme in Lucknow for the past 12 years. An this all without a single penny support from the Govt.

I'm 35, and have not seen a single dalit in my life who has made his career not to match my mother's one but to their own Bhagwan - Baba Saheb BhimRao Ambedkar.

My dear friends, try to understand, no man on this earth has got some or the other problem this includes America and Laden. Everyone needs to strive hard to make room for his own existence and self esteem and this does not come from bagging one has to borrow it from the hands of allmighty life.

Sure don't you dalits and we Muslims marry each other, since we like each other so much

Caste is the root cause for most of the major problems in india.Unless people get tolorence and change of mind it is impossible to kickoff this evil.

"Caste is important especially for people of high caste."

This is probably the same reason that racism is important to some white people. They have superiority and they want to maintain it.
To this mindset, caste means nothing as they are more into race, and see anyone with none white skin as inferior.

oh yes,,it is the way of controlling the poor and a few has devised a system, and so little do the hindus know..when are they going to stand up against this caste system ??

It seems to me as a non Hindu that Caste was simply implemented as a way for the ruling classes to control society.

Dalit word connotes different meaning for different people.
Harijan the word given by MR Gandhi to all the lower caste and untouchables - was another adjective added.

In place of appealing for removal and abolishing this old curse on India, all the leaders have been shamelessly accepting the caste system imposed upon by us by misrepresentation and distortioin of original vedik texts.

Time has come to bury this forever and forge a new identity and equality of human beings irresspective of their fathers occupation, color of skin and creed, faith or religion or any other thing like racial or ethinic differences.

People who consider themselves lower castes, dalits or harijan, must understand that this labelling business is falling into another trap.

I appeal to all friends to read my request and appeal to all Indians and join me in propagating the corrected version of things.

It is time to throw the garbage and refresh our inner society and its polluted environment.

Caste System is OVER : Corrected Theory True Meaning of Caste - Find OUT What is Your True Caste ?

There is NO dalit or lower castes.
It is all in our minds.
It is a state of mind.

If you join me, we will change the sick state of mind.

Help me, join me and together we can change people's sick minds and hearts.

Please click on the above link, read it, re-read it, and try to understand the whole thing as it is. Do NOT further misinterpret or lament on what has happened or what is history.

History is gone.
Current time is in our hand and we can change the future.

Future is In our Hands............
If you do NOT act we will not be able to change our future.
You will not have any rights to lament nor suffer if you do not act now...

yours
pk kapila

Sathyu Making Film on Reservation Policy

BANGALORE: The various reservation policies in India have not succeeded because of the absence of social acceptability. To highlight this fact, noted film maker M S Sathyu is making a full-length feature film, which he has based on a real-life incident that occurred in Bangalore a few years ago.

His film deals with the problems a well-educated, upper-caste girl faced at a "very reputed scientific institution in the city merely because she was married (of her own choice) to a Dalit," he said.

The film explores the protagonist's identity crisis-- was she to go by her husband's Dalit identity or had she to demand the recognition she deserved on her own merits.

"I want to show how discriminatory people can be, because no policy could be effective unless people's minds were ready to accept it," he said.

Sathyu pointed out that the reservation policy was formulated with an idealistic aim in mind, i.e., provide opportunities to the underprivileged, traditionaly backward people and bring about an "economic and social levelling so that they could be treated as equal to every one else.

"But though the benefits of reservation reached some, the policy-makers' rose-tinted vision did not take into account the `social acceptance' factor," he said.

"Class diferences will disappear only when the rich and upper classes do not mind mixing with their not-so-fortunate brethren, so my film questions the disparity in peoples' minds about the reservation policy," he explained.

"Perhaps the root of the problem was that the advanced classes were unprepared to accept the poorer ones on equal footing," he said.


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Can someone tell me what varna or caste the Patels are?

Re; Caste system: Read the explanations about the four orders of human beings (Caste system) as set out in the scriptural texts. Visit URL
http://www.hinduism.co.za/

I dont know if postings on this page will make any difference to indians in india. I wonder how many indians in india read this page. I also wonder how many people who post in this page live in india? Are we getting distorted/outdated views of indian life?

Caste is never an issue in the part/society of India I live in. My caste is never a part of my identity. I guess, caste is something personal (for us) like religion. Its confined within our homes and never impacts our day to day social interactions. Marriage is a different ball game. And of course, India is so diverse people living few streets away might have contradictory versions.

Anand

You must be low caste since you think like that. Caste is important especially for people of high caste. What part do you live in? What society? Maybe that is your answer in your society it is not important. Are you Married? Some people on this forum may feel the same way you do. I know someone who does and she needs a husband. Maybe she can marry into your society?

I'm an a 22 year old indian born in the uk.My cast is important to my parents and family. From my experiences those who see them- selves as from a low cast are embarrased to admit so (they should not see them selves as from a low cast, but just from a cast). I have come across young indians who ask your cast as they would ask your name. Mostly those who ask about your cast are usually from a high cast. I beleive this is due to the way they have been brought up, they are lead to beleive that they have an upper hand.


ok this is how i see it. you should be proud of your cast no matter what, it should not be seen as high or low cast. Your cast tells you about your history, as well as certain customs you may have, due to being that cast.

as cast's vary so do the way indians live. This should not be seen as one way of living is better than another.

I think its more about not putting others down because of there cast. Or having pre-concieved ideas on cast's.

I am a jat.I dont make friends with people based on what cast they are. The only time that my cast will play a major role is when I get married, as I would not get married without my parents approval. What I do know is that my childrem will not have to make a decision on there life-partner based on cast.

Binnie

My wife has the bad habit of asking everyone what caste they belong to. She is Brahmin. I agree with you when you say that this is more common among people of high caste.

I also know a Chamar who is very religious, dedicated, good and hard working. He has no problem saying he is Chamar. He doesn't feel better or worse than anyone.

Is it true that you will marry someone of your caste but you will not require it of your children?

If your wife is Brahmin and you are not, she is going against her dharma becomes outcaste for marring someone who is not of her status or caste. So she lost her caste and is not Brahmin.

Seekwar...are you sure?

The true meaning of caste, it that it is determined by your actions and behaviour, and NOT by what you're born into. HighCaste Brahmins have twisted the true meaning to suit their own purposes. A person who is born into a brahmin family who acts very low, eats meat, is corrupt, dirty and evil, is NOT a true Brahmin. No-one can lose their caste by marrying someone of a different caste, that was a rule made up to scare people. Birth has Nothing to do with it, Actions and Conduct has everything to do with it. As Lord Krishna said in the Mahabharat.

Anonymous...

What you just said is so true!

Your so called "caste" is not what you're born into but dependent on the way you live your life....

Caste has only to do with actions and character. It should have always been that way, but it was corrupted by certain Brahmins (who were not good Brahmins) so they will always have some 'slaves' to work for them. Seekwar is an example of one of those Brahmins. They even went so far as to write rule books saying if you touch a lower caste they have to have a bath from head to toe to wash off bad karma. And they said this was god's rule. They didn't allow the lowest caste (Sudras) to even enter temples for fear that they'll destroy the holiness! Now, Brahmins are getting scared because they see low castes being able to study the scriptures and reach the same spiritual level as them. Also, in western countries as well as in India, Brahmin youth are losing all their Brahmanical quality by their lifestyle and attitudes....now do they really deserve to be called Brahmin?